I’m really interested in this study because I’ve been looking into compression ratings and hitting soft balls compared to harder balls ever since the marketing trend began. With that said, in real world testing where angle of attack, quality of contact and other human factors come into play, the results may or may not match up to the test data. Essentially, you’re just repeating exactly the same type of myths we’ve tried to dispel with this test. I know how much time and effort it takes to posting this stuff. Befuddles me why the mgs test showed the inverse of what I’m seeing. The thing to understand here is that we’re not flying blind with these tests. Im going to get 2 Seleves Right Now! GREAT tests and based on my exp seems right on. As we did with every ball manufacturer of note, we reached out to Callaway ahead of the test and they offered no hint that a new ball was coming and, as you can see, didn’t pass any along for testing. It still is important to test it your self, play it, and decide which is better for your game. IMO, the compression vs. ball speed chart illustrates one of the most eye-opening things we’ve ever uncovered in testing. Yes the robot takes out swing variables so we have as close to apples to apples data as possible, however each individual golfer has unique swing characteristics and variables play a big part. Great work folks. Not really. There’s a Dean Snell video out there you may find interesting. On the course, I’ve been using Bridgestone e6 soft. The one thing that’s not adding up for me is the shot area calculation. B xs just better and showed the inverse of your results. Tony: I was also wondering if you actually had individuals down range measuring the carry distance and distance offline rather than trackman data. Great, informative test! Fit the ball to the irons and wedges and then fit the driver to the ball. If not, no worries, because this site is the first (sometimes only) place I go to do research before making a purchse, but no harm is asking, right? Choose one ball, and play it every round and every shot. Anybody want to buy some Chrome Soft’s on the cheap? In fact, I just looked at the raw data for driver. In terms of correction I’m normally straightish but sometimes can have a hook if I get too quick at the top. The average ball at this speed traveled 204.01 yards. A long, soft, cheap ball, with relatively low driver spin. I agree with your prior head to head with the pro v, so I scooped em up. So at 100 mph the combined Driver & 7i distance for a Bridgestone B rx is 411.44 yards. That is a great collection of data. This difference between the “tour” and “mid” balls would be interesting to see, but my guess would be most “mid” balls would fall within statistical variation of each other with the exception of the off-center cored “bad balls” here and there. Yes of course go get fit for a ball. A very sarcastic, unnecessary response. I notice the Srixon Z Star is one of the top recommended balls, along side pro v and Bridgestone tour x. It must be nice to just be able to go do some golf ball testing on an robotic swing machine at will as an avid golfer. The ball you’re playing today might be costing you strokes. It wasn’t a lot farther but it’s farther. The 115mph swing is much faster than my swing, and the 85mph is much slower. Most “mid” balls are softer balls, and as we’ve heard many times: “Softer is Slower.” Also, Quality Control costs money, and the only ways to get the price point of a ball down are to minimize quality checks/testing and to use cheaper components and production methods. Awesome. Filter shot area for 115 MPH swing speed, the highest shot area is 2,180 SY. It’s the most used game type by majority of our golfers. Could there be something gained by switching to a softer ball? The big disadvantage to using a robot is we do not get to see how these balls perform for different swings. I don’t see a benefit in getting 2 more yards for $20 a dozen. Swing speed: 120-125+ We tested with a robot Why? I would also like to what what model of 7 iron and driver and wedge. If MGS has an issue with anything I’m saying here then I’d love to discuss it. I see you tested the 3 piece Kirkland ball. Can I get a copy of your test results for my own reading? That’s my plan for this year at least, but this definitely gives good info if I decide to change things up. It would be great if you could add a 70 MPH category the next time you test for those of us who don’t even come close to your lowest swing speed setting – 85 MPH. If anything, use this as a GUIDE to pick 2-3 different ball types and brands to test and TAKE THEM OUT TO THE GOLF COURSE. The Top 5 distance balls at this speed were as follows (the data in ( ) indicates the rank vs. all 63 balls tested). That’s what I’d like to do – download and import into a little application that I’d like to write. But when you get your swing to YOUR best, then you should be able to tell the minute differences. The low compression balls launch higher and carry longer with the irons. Also, check out “Golf Shops in Malaysia You Need to Know”. As far as what’s in my bag everything has been fitted and no I’m not one to run out and buy what’s “Most Wanted” or “Hot List”, I look at the data and see if I need to try a product and compare it to what’s in my bag. Is there a reason why the Kirkland Signature 4 piece was not tested? A few of them ballooned. Distances are solid. On high-speed irons shots, the Kirkland 3-piece and Volvik S4 are essentially outliers; significantly lower launch and higher spin than the other balls tested. Great data – and I echo the sentiments on the performance (or lack of) on the Cut Grey and Blue balls. If I am looking for a great performing tournament ball then anything in Excellent or Great category should work? My junior plays both Wilson DUO pro and Chromesoft. with his swingspeed does he enjoy going into the bush off his tee shot considering the MTBX had the worst driver dispersion. They tested great, aside from maybe dispersion, yet they have the CG technology to hopefully offset that. It comes down to prefereance. Best testing I have seen by far, bar none. Golfing alone isn’t fun, Deemples hopes that you #nevergolfalone. Terrific article MGS! You didn’t mention which balls failed #6? No brand is spotless, and I think any honest ball guy would probably tell you that every now and again a bad ball sneaks past a QC check. Probably. I’ve been unable to hunt it down. I just hope their quality control is in order where I don’t get consistent performance. So while they claim to be looking out for the consumer, all they are really doing is bombarding you with yet another form of marketing to further confuse you and cause you to buy, buy, buy in your quest for the perfect golf game. I was curious on this as well – as I play exclusively Cut Blue and love them. Surprised to see the pro-v and pro-v1 x data. With the Pro V1 and Pro V1x, the differences are, as you noticed, marginal, so there may be a condition under which the x launches higher. Check this article “The best golf gloves – why you should get a grip on golf” before buying new gloves. The Mizuno RB Tour X has a 4-piece construction along with a urethane cover, a Butadiene rubber made dual-core and high energy ionomer layer. Golf is intimidating enough, where it’s tough for golf newbies to find out where to go, what to buy, what to bring, who to go with, what to wear, etc. The “compress the ball” thing is a total myth. Thanks much MGS Staff. I don’t have a driver swing speed of 115, but i am consistently over 105, usually 108 or 109. Thanks for the reply Tony. A: In the interest of being as thorough as possible, we tested 33 balls with urethane covers. Over 60% of your shots are hit from within 150-yards of the green, so that’s where you need your golf ball to perform. From the charts it appears to be 5+ yards. Simple reason. Yesterday I finally bought a Check-Go and tested golf balls at home for balance consistency. Wow, I just bought 5 dozen MTB-X’s great stuff to hear. The three balls that stand out to me are the Titliest Pro V1X, Bridgestone Tour B XS, and the Vice Pro. The metric is sound. As for your question, I believe MGS already stated they’d redo the tests every year. (Balls that aren’t over $40)… Lol . Listen, most of us are NEVER ever in our wildest dreams going to shoot in the 60’s. With swing speeds not as fast as an adult, would selecting a ball from the top two quality categories still be the best to start with? This page contains affiliate links. Remember, the Deemples handicap is not sanctioned by any local or international golf association, so it won’t be valid to use for official tournaments. #PowerToThePlayer. Last but not least , at 2 dozen for $50—it rates very highly on the “Cheap Bastard Scale” which measures dollar spent vs performance gained. I’m a fast swing so After this test I am considerIng to leave pro v1x, after many many years, for Bridgestone tour Bx. If you like the 55, just imagine the same ball with a softer feel, a higher ball flight, and a slightly softer landing with roughly the same overall distance. It’s hard to beat that. For example, when factoring in roll, the gap between the longest and the shortest balls at high swing speeds narrows by less than 2 yards. The ball guys we’ve spoken to about it say it’s one of a few things – ball out of round, uncentered layers (core), or a dimple/aerodynamics issue. What 7 iron loft was used? My results for any club or ball I try out would be specific to me. Got it, thanks guys. Walter, our testing was done independently and we insured all balls were placed identically with seam, against seam, logo facing forward, logo facing backward to achieve a criteria that was as precise as possible. So from that, I derive that a “soft” ball is costing players who swing faster (more than 85 MPH) distance. Apologies if I’ve missed it somewhere, but does anyone know what loft the 7iron and wedge was? I promise I don’t work for Taylormade. Tony, any advice on a ball for me when I’m hitting down bigtime on driver (like -5 AoA) and high spin, with contact near top of face and heel? Any reason didnt test the Top Flite Urethane cover ball? As golfers gear up for 2019, now is the perfect time to consider which golf ball they’ll be putting in their bag. Focus on lowest spin and offline puts you in the QStar Tour. Point being, while the benefits of soft are being promoted on one side, on the other the balls are already starting to get firmer. Curious how the Z Star made the top stop as I do not see it near the top of any one category. Been around for decades. Great article – this is exactly the data we’ve all wondered about, and the charts and graphs really help illustrate differences and allow for comparisons. Analysising the data a bit further for my SS ~107 and need of low spin, close dispersion and low offline (for driver, 7 iron and wedge), the Vice Pro arrived on top by a big margin! Distance is part of it. Great work. So I don’t know about you and your game, but to me a half club closer to green with my approach shot is significant. If we change the angle of attack and/or the dynamic loft, each ball will compress differently, and therefore, perform differently. Same rules apply. So did you. So…what do the numbers show for a 100mph swing? Curious — I didn’t see the Taylormade project(a) ball in this test. Having worked on the lpga, and PGA for over 20 years alongside the best in the game, this test missed the mark and may well send consumers running out to buy balls that go far but feel like glass marbles or ballbearings. Keep refreshing…they’ll show up. As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. Watch the response Callaway is going to have moving forward. This was such a fun read. I hit a prov1x all winter. Anyways, being a very high speed guy looking for lower spin, pro v1 it was. The MG Tour C4 is the lowest spinning ball off the driver though that’s largely attributable to significant spin inconsistencies at high speed. When you take a deep dive, you can basically make an argument for any ball. Thanks. We didn’t want new golfers to have to go through this alone, hence the creation of the Driving Range game type. Provides excellent control around the greens. If the bottom line comes down to GO GET FITTED, then what’s the point in any of these tests? I have been playing the Srixon Q Star Tour since they started making it in yellow. Great point and charting James – More people should be talking about THIS!! Is there a plan to do a ‘non-tour’ ball test? Well done! Callaway is changing the ball (that changed the ball), and while our test results suggest there’s a really good reason why, the company isn’t being entirely forthcoming about the fact that the ball is different and is only saying that the core is larger. I guess you don’t trust or believe the data that Tony just presented about the MTBX(or the other balls in the test). What these results really show is exactly what MGS says in the beginning. I wont go into the maths of the standard deviation but its basically a measure of consistency. Do I think these tests are less than useful? Bravo! Deemples always tries to research what is good for our readers and all level of golfers. But i also have high spin with the driver: usually in the 3,200 range. All you have to do is a float test with each ball. Is it fair to question the manufacturing consistency of entire DTC brand if one of their models produced inconsistent compression ratings? Speed accentuates differences, so based on what we saw anyway, in the 75-80 range, distance is likely a near wash. It’s likely the point at which all tour balls go, more or less, the same distance. I’be been using for over 30+ years at first as a god way to add a marked line for putts vs lining the logo. I bought a dozen of each to try them out, never got beyond the first sleeve of either one. Traded all my Chrome softs for Pro V 1x’s today. That split second of transition—IMPACT/FOLLOW THROUGH—is the most critical split second of the golf swing as far as generating extra yardage goes. Nice testing. Please note: we call our dispersion metric Shot Area. And feels great off the putter. I can understand some of that dispersion being due to the 5.52 standard deviation of carry distance, which would be justified and very tolerable given it is a unanimous leader in the distance category. Walter, my test results wouldn’t be any more beneficial to you as these are. It is because of the softness of the ball and the control it provides. Numbers don’t lie. TL;DR – Go with the Snell MTB X. Mizuno RB X and Titleist Pro V1 X will also be good for you but not as good as the Snell and you will pay 33% more for those balls and they will perform slightly worse in every way at your swing speed. Start at the green and work your way out. I personally play the Z Star and love it, just don’t see where it stood out. Seems like most of my clubs, i get really high peak heights and may be sacrificing some distance because of it. I didn’t have a way to measure carry only total distance using a laser range finder. I like what you did. If the ball does what you need it to do, do waste your time and energy counting layers. Best Overall Golf Ball: Titleist DT Trusoft Prior Generation Golf Balls While the Titleist V1 Pro golf balls are a great option for any top flite golfer, the Titleist DT Trusoft balls offer many of the same benefits with a lower price tag. These “tests” and Most Wanted series sell just as many clubs, balls, gloves, rangefinders, whatevers, as the manufacturer’s own marketing campaigns, and they love every minute of it. It would see the Chrome Soft performs best in the iron/wedge testing, so given the above statement why wouldn’t the Callaway balls be rated higher? Even balls like the ERC which isn’t even a Urethane ball? Offline numbers are interesting for sure as well. Hey, great study here! It’s exactly why, despite having the means to do an indoor ball test for the last 5 years, we waited until we could use what the industry says are the right tools. I try lots of balls but almost always end up back on the Pro V1x. The Snell MTB-X is an exceptionally fast ball from the leader is the Direct-To-Consumer golf ball space. It seems to me a re-test of that one category is in order. Yes, I know you included the Costco and Snell but there are a lot of others sold and it sure would be nice to see a comparison. I wonder how much difference there is between this year’s ball and the ones from previous years. We only saw an appreciable difference at high driver speeds. If you don’t like the data or test or the way they setup the test then don’t use the data. It is possible for a ball hitting machine to error. At both speeds tested, there is approximately a 500 RPM difference between the highest spinning and lowest spinning urethane balls. The MBT-X is either worst or in the bottom half for all these metrics. Driver-Wedge the MTB-X is less than 1 yd shorter than the best (Maxfli Tour). Callaway should publish numerical data rather than words that support their position. 1. You don’t need a low compression ball. Joey – I see in a subsequent post you analyzed Driver data and charted the linear equation between 115 and 85 mph swing speeds and extrapolated that for a lower swing speed of 65 mph for junior golfers. The best sunscreen for … In the former, the shot clock doesn’t matter. Its a great sales strategy for sure, but I don’t think anyone is being “saved” from wasting your money on clubs that may or may not work for you based on test results that had nothing to do with you. About two weeks ago my wife and I spent the day at my local course testing golf balls, several of which are mentioned in this test. Could just have the avx and pro-v 1 x. Crazy to think – maybe the next wave of golf ball marketing will be a company touting consistency in manufacturing/balance? Unless there’s a specific reason to go soft, if you’re closer to 100 than 80, the data suggests you’d likely be better off in the mid to high compression range. Great article and test but next year you have to do this earlier before all the buy three dozen get one dozen deals are over. Quite a popular urethane ball and would have been great to see the differences between the Project A, q star tour, and the tp5. The reality is that over the last few years, several Callaway staffers have broken contract to play a non-Callaway ball. If you are looking for a soft feeling ball that is head to head with the AVX in performance, the TPS is your choice. Do you think that it works? We’d all go for irons that gave us the most help. There are 3 game types in Deemples: Single flight, Multi Flight, and Driving range. In fact, the Pro V1x, Tour B XS, TP5, and Tour B RXS seemed to perform well. So this is where the “Aha Moment” happened. There were balls that went significantly offline despite a consistent swing and near perfect impact. They been running a BOGO Deal.. Had a $20 Dicks reward card, went to Golf Galaxy today and picked up 2 dozen Z-Stars for $22!! That’s not what golf is about, and what’s in you bag certainly doesn’t equate to what’s on your scorecard. Interesting to come back and revisit the data after playing the Maxfli Tour to start the season. I have lost distance with the driver on multiple occasions like sometimes 20 yards. Given my swing speed, would I benefit from a lower compressing ball. human golfers, not robots), meaning less distance loss than harder (high compression) balls on mis-hits. That only means the ProV1x was the longest ball in the 85 swing speed test with the driver. But it’s old. The Kirkland Signature 3-piece is again appreciable shorter than the longest balls. For instance, standard deviation of carry yards is probably a very important one. While some models are positioned at the fringe of the category, the goal was to include a majority of 3, 4, and 5-piece balls generally classified as Tour Balls. Why were iron shots hit off a tee? We consult with actual experts from around the industry. I bought a doble dozen pack and have the following to say. This has always been one of the well-reputed names in the golf industry for its high performance and good quality. There is no magic formula where performance characteristics suddenly flip. “CSX Triple Track is a different ball that we had tested with Tour players and is our most played ball on tour so we wanted to update it with the launch of Triple Track on CSX…The CSX TT is a slightly firmer core compression with a softer cover and a slightly different spin profile.”. Just wanted to try and bring some more clarification to the remarkable work you guys have done with this test! For the record that balls that were longer than the MTB-X on one or more of these combinations were Tour B RX, Tour B RXS, Tour B X, ERC Soft, Maxfli Tour, Q-Star Tour, and Pro V1x. It’s not that we didn’t give much credence to accuracy, it’s that there are a number of variables in play – probably far more than most would assume with robot testing. I don’t like how launch monitors calculate the offline measurements. Zero influence. Can you explain what criteria was used to rank the balls in the Performance Breakdown? I think more important than second shot distance are the shot area and offline standard deviation numbers for driver and 7 iron. They would also not perform as well in all areas of testing compared to “tour” balls. thanks, steve, Amazing article…I have seen some of this when I played the Vice Pro Plus to the Chrome Soft X then to the Bridgestone B RX. 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